the smoking vegans

Sunday, December 18, 2005

 

Need to feel good about yourself? Try jerking off.

I had an interesting conversation with jsteak a few nights back, and never had a chance to report. Thankfully, I'm around the internet for a few moments, so you get a brand spanking new post. Apparently, she explained, we’re not vegan. This according to some forum user over at Vegan Freak HQ. At first I was incensed, but after we talked some more about it, I think I understand. They’re right. We’re not vegan.

Except I don’t understand, and they’re not right. The argument was that as cigarettes are tested on animals, smoking cigarettes makes one not vegan. First of all, not all cigarettes are tested on animals. Frankly, I think this is besides the point. But let’s say that using products tested on animals makes someone not vegan. If we take this as true, then there are no vegans. None. Not any. Zilch. Because almost everything is tested on animals. Pharmaceuticals, detergents, even vegetable cooking oils are all animal tested.

And here’s the thing about people who make worn-out, banal, asinine comments to the effect of “smoking isn’t vegan”: these people are not only assholes, but really pompous assholes. Allow me to expound. In the act of not smoking, you accomplish nothing beyond affecting your personal health. Do I feel better that I smoke a brand of cigarettes not tested on animals? Sometimes. But I don’t delude myself by thinking it’s actually saving any. In fact, the same can be said about veganism as a whole. There are more vegans than ever today. There are also more animals being slaughtered than ever. Clearly, being vegan isn’t enough. It needs to be combined with public outreach, direct action, and anti-capitalism. For some people though, moral pompousness is enough. For self-congratulatory fuckwits like you fine folks, being vegan, not smoking, and everything else they do, has but one purpose: to make you feel good about yourself as a substitute for actually challenging any real structures of oppression. In fact, everything you do is geared towards this. Not smoking does absolutely nothing to make the world better. For you, it’s just a superiority trip. Don’t kid yourself. You’re not the next Rosa Parks, you’re just some smug sod who needs to get their feel-good fix.

Next time, try jerking off instead.

Incidentally, I’m done being apologetic about smoking. Do you have a problem with my smoking? Why don’t you go play hide-and-go-fuck-yourself. I’m not budging on this any more. It’s ridiculous. On the list of social injustices, if you rank smoking on it at all, let alone in a high-up place, that’s because you are either a total moron or a loser virgin.

Comments:
Right on and again let me say RIGHT ON! This sadistic motherfuckers who seem to think they are so high and mighty should realize that not only do we feel better about ourselves, are less depressed, less violent, etc., we are actually being compassionate towards farm animals. That's right if enougho f us smoke, more and more land will have to go to raising tobacco meaning less room for factory farms.

And you wanna know something else? I feel bad for these non-smoking idiots. I mean what are they suppossed to do after they jerkoff? eat a piece of tofu????

Joe Zollars
 
People complain I don't get enough vegetables in my diet. Think there's any chance tobacco counts as one, or is that kind of a "Ronald Reagan vegetable," like ketchup?
 
I don't get the smoking-isn't-vegan thing. If it's not tested on animals and has no animal ingredients, it's vegan. Well, unless you're blowing smoke in the dog's face or something.

And even if the ingredients were tested on animals at some point, you're not supporting current animal testing. So no big.

Smoke on I say.
 
Well it is green and leafy......

Joe Zollars
 
as a newbie vegan i had a friend shake his head and finger at me, saying: how can you have such compassion for animals and not any for yourself, as you still smoke.
dude. vegan does not equal vice-less. sex drugs(maybe) rock and roll....as long as i have made the conscious choice to do my best not to play into the animal cruelty industry and i commit myself to that end, which includes trying to smoke something considered vegan ( often rolling my own) while you hold a bbq chicken leg between thumb & forefinger,i reply: just shut the fuck up.~ renma50
 
as a newbie vegan i had a friend shake his head and finger at me, saying: how can you have such compassion for animals and not any for yourself, as you still smoke.
dude. vegan does not equal vice-less. sex drugs(maybe) rock and roll....as long as i have made the conscious choice to do my best not to play into the animal cruelty industry and i commit myself to that end, which includes trying to smoke something considered vegan ( often rolling my own) while you hold a bbq chicken leg between thumb & forefinger,i reply: just shut the fuck up.~ renma50
 
Right on Renma. Its not about being compassionate towards ourselves. And those who don't want to be around smoke (where compassion might come into play) have the choice of simply leaving me the fuck alone while I smoke.

besides in a way continiuing to smoke is itself a combatent against factory farming.

Joe Zolars
 
I think people who make being vegan all about "me" and being compassionate towards "me" are just blowing smoke up their own asses.
 
I was wondering about that as well, whether or not Smoking is Vegan. but you made a clear point; It doens't matter if it is or isn't, because just being vegan isn't enough. I've been involved with protests before and I have to say that gives a much satisfying result than just simply being Vegan ha sever given me. Act now. Research and React everyone.
 
Hey dude, what kind of cigarettes do you smoke? I'm interested in smoking somethin that hasn't been forced into an animal's mouth.
Let me know!
joseph-hughes@hotmail.co.uk
JOE
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hey Joe American Spirits aren't tested on animals.
 
I think you're an idiot if you smoke and consider yourself a vegan. By definition, a vegan (unless for dietary purposes) doesn't use ANYTHING from an animal, including things that are tested on them. I don't use a single thing tested on an animal, so yes... you can do it. Smoking affects more than just the person doing it. Second hand smoking is worse then smoking an actual cigarette. Have you have seen how they test them on animals? It's terrible and disgusting. If you have any compassion towards animals, you wouldn't smoke.

This is stupid that this is even a topic. Smoking hurts everybody. It's a big help in pollution. So I sure hope you people don't consider yourselves environmentalists.

If you gladly and knowingly support something that tortures animals than not only are you not vegan, you're a scumbag. And it's people like you that are slowing down the revolution. Of course the amount of vegans that are out there isn't enough to just up and shut down a meat farm or something but it's a choice you make because you don't wanna condone in animals being treated like garbage. It's not like every burger we don't eat isn't gonna be eaten, but we know that we had nothing to do with. I know that being vegan doesn't directly stop anything but it sure makes a difference. And I feel just a little bit better knowing that I don't have a part in this bullshit.

By just saying you don't care, you're slowing down everything we're supposed to be fighting against. If you plan to make a difference in this world, there's no time to say, "well fuck it, I'm doing enough to help." You gotta do more, you gotta do everything you can or this world is just gonna get worse.

Why does this even matter? Smoking is stupid, there's not a single positive thing to it. There's absolutely no reason why anybody should ever take on such a stupid thing. If I had for any reason been a smoker at one point, I would've stopped the day I became a vegan.

You're causing animals pain, your causing the environment pain, you're causing the people around you pain, and you're causing YOURSELF pain. There's no good reason to continue smoking, or to ever even START smoking.

Give it up.
 
Most cigarettes are not vegan, not just because they are tested on animals, but because the adhesive used to hold the rolled paper together is usually made from gluten. Or at least that's how I've heard it.
 
To anonymous at 10:14 PM....

I agree with you when you say "There's absolutely no reason why anybody should ever take on such a stupid thing." But the fact remains that I did when I was young and stupid. I have tried to quit many times. I cant seem to get past the headaches, chills, and vomiting. I hate smoking, yet, I love it compared to the withdrawals. I hope I can get past it one day.

I hope you dont drive a car. Tires are not vegan and gasoline is tested on animals.
 
To anonymous at 3:39 PM....
Gluten comes from wheat
 
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FDA approved chantix (latest smoking cessation pill) leads you to Smoking free healthy life. The Best possible way to quit smoking for clean and healthy world.
 
Yeah except chantix is not a cure all. My SO took it and it gave him suicidal urges and violent nightmares. It has a warning about such on the label. And it was tested in animals.
 
Sweeet. Nicely said. I am "only" a vegetarian. A happy one too, well not really, as what is there to be happy about, but anyways, nicely said.
 
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The first no means the tape goes tomy boss and both her and her girlfriend will be ruined in the localcommunity. I wait up for her and she getshome around 3 hours later.
 
You should give up smoking simply because you harm other people with passive smoking, if you choose to harm yourself that is one thing and your choice, but harming otrher innocent people is not compatible with veganism! As a child of a smoker my lungs are damaged as if I had been a smoker for many years - the damage is irreversible and I am the one who has to live with it, not you, not my mother although she has to live with her own self-inflicted damage, I am the one dealing with something I did not deserve and did not ask for. You should think about the victims of smoking before going on arrogantly about your right to smoke.
 
something that few people know is that sugar (some brands) isn't vegan!!!
 
Maybe if you look up how they would test tobacco on those animals you wouldn't think everyone is out to get you.
 
You just still suffering from "meat-eating hangover" LOL
You argue just like that.
Cooking oils are NOT tested on animals.
Yes maybe cottonseed, GM rape seed(Canola) maybe be tested.
Cooking oils that use toxic chemicals as preservatives, anti-splashing/foaming agents have to be tested so that they can fake the conclusions and declare this safe.
traditions oils. like coconut, peanut, palm. mustard, sesame do not need to be tested.
so you are just B.S.ing out of your @ass.
Those oils are bad for our health too.
You don't need them the same way you don't need cigarettes.
So if you can't quit ciggarettes don't go around spreading false informations and take a chill pill
 
Was reading comments til I got to anonomouses first rant, then REM Everybody Hurts started playing in my head so I had to stop..
 
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